The SHPG Displays More Historical Ignorance

In this post, a member of the Gift That Keeps On Giving provides a link to this article, which quotes TV personality Bill Maher wondering when confederate flag “hags” will give up the racist symbol.  Maher referenced this story from the Daily Beast in which author Jonathan Horn writes, “Lee did not want such divisive symbols following him to the grave. At his funeral in 1870, flags were notably absent from the procession. Former Confederate soldiers marching did not don their old military uniforms, and neither did the body they buried. ‘His Confederate uniform would have been ‘treason’ perhaps!’ Lee’s daughter wrote.”  Horn continues, “So sensitive was Lee during his final years with extinguishing the fiery passions of the Civil War that he opposed erecting monuments on the battlefields where the Southern soldiers under his command had fought against the Union. ‘I think it wiser moreover not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavoured to obliterate the marks of civil strife and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered,’ he wrote.”  Maher asks, “If the Confederacy’s most famous general had washed his hands of the Stars and Bars why can’t the rest of them?”  Maher has probably misidentified the flag to which he’s referring.  He’s probably referring to the battle flag, which was not the “Stars and Bars.”  The “Stars and Bars” was the confederacy’s First National Flag.

In usually misspelled, grammatically challenged, sometimes profanity-laced, and historically ignorant posts, the inmates of the SHPG responded predictably.

The one who comes close to making an intelligent reply is here:


He still fails miserably because he doesn’t understand the references Maher used and he is clueless about the history of the confederate battle flag.  Lee was against using confederate symbols after the war, and the battle flag’s history is one of use for racist means–not just its modern usage.  It was a racist symbol from its very inception.

Then we have this example of idiocy:


Perhaps this guy was doing LSD and hallucinated Robert E. Lee writing a book where he made that claim, because it certainly didn’t happen here in the real world.  Perhaps the nine people who “liked” the post dropped the same LSD, or, more likely, maybe they just cluelessly accept any drivel whatsoever as long as it makes them feel good.

We have the typical mindless threat of violence that these folks like to use:


Another of the historically ignorant removes all doubt that he knows nothing of actual history here:


When you don’t read actual history you can be safely ignorant of the fact that the confederacy instituted conscription first, and he quite obviously knows nothing about Southern men in the 1860s, who did put his own life and that of his sons on the line so slave owners could keep their slaves.  This idiot has probably never read anything the secessionists wrote, because they were quite clear what their cause was.  It wasn’t freedom from oppression but rather freedom to continue oppressing others.  Notice he also has no clue about the writing of “Dixie” by Daniel D. Emmett.  When one is ignorant, I suppose it’s very freeing, because one can say anything and feel good about it.  Notice six others “liked” the post, proving they’re just as historically ignorant.

Then we have this individual, who appears to be confused:


So she knows for sure that Maher’s family wasn’t in the US prior to the Civil War, but she thinks he comes from a “long line of carpetbaggers?”  How many years are in that “long line?”  Apparently she heard the word somewhere and vaguely understands it’s supposed to be an insult.  If you don’t know your history, you can call anyone anything, I suppose.

I haven’t posted the majority of the comments due to profanity in many and banality in others.  But you can go to the link I provided above and read them all if you like.

I’m no fan of Bill Maher.  I don’t find him funny at all, but at least he was right about one thing.  Lee didn’t want the display of confederate symbols.  The folks who purportedly honor him choose to not honor his wish.  Apparently they only pretend to honor him.



  1. That’s a slur on acid-heads everywhere.

  2. I remember seeing the Horn article a while back but completely failed to comment on it at that time; so I’m glad you brought it up again.

    Ah, the SHPG. I’ve missed that wacky circus. Roden is an interesting cat. He takes others’ arguments directed at him and then spins those words in the opposite direction to make his point. The result is a Confederate Flag wielding hypocrite who calls others a racist/bigot. Of course, we all remember “Amanda.”

    In reference to the guy mentioned Lee’s book (which there never was such a thing); I believe he is referencing a quote that circulates on the internet and appeared in the Kennedy’s The South Was Right!.

    The quote originates from T. C. Johnson’s Life and Letters of Robert Lewis Dabney. There was apparently a meeting around 1870 in which Lee and Gov. Stockdale (Texas) were both in attendance. Dabney (author) was not present at that meeting. He received his account second hand from Gov. Stockdale. Stockdale told Dabney that Lee talked to the former privately and said “Governor, if I had foreseen the use these people desired to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox, no, sir, not by me. Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in this right hand.”

    It’s definitely not good history to take this type of second hand, reprinted account, as anything definitive of Lee’s post-war character. However, it is perfect Lost Cause hubbub.

    1. Yep. Wrote about it here. 🙂

      1. There are some similar quotes printed up in different issues of the Confederate Veteran.

        1. I’m not surprised at all.

  3. I know you already know this, but for your readers, in terms of percentages, twice as many Johnny Rebs were drafted as Yanks.

    1. True, and not only that, the confederacy extended all enlistments to the end of the war, forcing soldiers to stay in after their enlistments were up, whereas the Federals held to their enlistment agreements.

  4. I read “Bitterly Divided” by David Williams. It completely debunks the idea of a united South.

    As far as you know, are there any SHPG types, or flaggers, working as tour guides or docents at Civil War, or Southern heritage sites?

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